These Tragedies Must Stop, One Way or Another

The multiple shootings that have happened in the past 6 months have gotten me thinking about what we as a country can do to keep our citizens and our children safe.

Ok, so I know you all know by now the tragedy that has struck the country.

20 children dead, 6 adults dead in an elementary school. This is despicable.

I don’t know about you, but I remember elementary school as a place of safety and learning. Somewhere I was always secure. Even as I grew older and went to junior high and even high school, school was always a place of security and safety.

This is something we never saw coming. Not just this shooting, but all the ones we’ve seen. There have been more shootings in the past 6 months than I’ve ever heard of in my whole life.

This is a serious issue, America, and we need to something about it. We need gun control.

Now, before you get all righteous on me, listen. I agree that it is ok and a constitutional right to bear arms. But it is not ok to be selling and buying automatic machine guns or whatever to regular citizens. Like seriously, what, is the raccoon in your yard going to shoot back at you? Is the poor deer you’re hunting going to use karate on you? You do not need such incredibly dangerous guns in your possession. We do not need to have guns designed for killing lots of people fast in gun or hunting stores. I’m pretty sure it’s still illegal to hunt people, although these days it’s hard to tell.

You know, I used to think that the second amendment wasn’t important. It was just one of those amendments the founding fathers put in because of their situation and didn’t affect us. But now it does. We as a nation need to decide just how far bearing arms can go. These shootings cannot continue. But they will if we don’t do something right now. We need to limit the guns that are sold to regular citizens. I don’t care if it’s legal in Texas or wherever to shoot someone trespassing on your property, which honestly is really stupid and weird. But we cannot allow people to keep going ballistic and shooting a bunch of people, especially children.

I say we need to sell only non automatic guns. If you can’t hit that deer in one shot it’s gone anyway, so sucks for you. We need a harsh penalty for selling such illegal guns, like 50 years in jail or something. And for those of you who say automatics are good for self defense, if the other guy doesn’t have an automatic, you can get him while he’s reloading. By the time you both have gotten one maybe two shots at each other, the police will be there to take care of it. Done, over, you’re safe, case closed.

The point here is that this could turn into a big controversial issue but why should it? We are Americans, since when has an attack on our citizens turned us against each other? Oh, yeah, every time since like, ever. Seriously, guys, gun control is the only way we can stop these tragedies from continuing to happen. Let’s band together and make it work instead of fighting each other about taking away rights like we always do.

Seriously though, no one’s going to take away your right to shoot a raccoon who’s in your yard and probably looks a little sketchy, even though it's just a freaking raccoon, get over it.  

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Bryan December 19, 2012 at 02:44 AM
4.) "Claim: These are not lefty-liberal statistics, these stats come from the FBI". Who is the FBI whose stats you are quoting. The stats from the Federal Bureau of Investigation do not match.
Bryan December 19, 2012 at 04:28 AM
Janet wrote: "Going back to the 1980's Ronald Reagan was shot despite the fact that he has the entire Secret Service to protect him. So how on earth would a few teachers, even well trained ones defend themselves and an entire school against a lunatic with an automatic weapon and body armor? Just answer me that all you sincere gun folk?" Oh Jeez, this is getting stupid. You are not going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. No matter if you were to have legislation that banned every gun out there, if criminals want them, they will have them. I can't believe there are still people posting here that would dispute this fact. So for those of us who have accepted reality, since we know we cannot keep guns out the hands of criminals, the next logical question is - how do we protect ourselves from crazy people with guns? There are many options out there. Banks don't arm the tellers but often they have them behind bullet proof glass. Should schools be built like a fortress so that when an alarm sounds, each classroom goes into lockdown with impenetrable doors and bullet proof windows prohibiting a the shooter from going from classroom to classroom. Or should we just arm the teachers with knockout tear gas ( many police agencies have this ). There are many options to discuss. Regarding Janet's last comment, which mass murdered last had impenetrable body armor?
Bryan December 19, 2012 at 04:28 AM
*Regarding Janet's last comment, which mass murderer last had impenetrable body armor?
Bryan December 19, 2012 at 04:31 AM
By the way. I thought it was interesting that there were no comments regarding Pauline's made up gun statistics. The fact that she would have the nerve to post such blatantly incorrect gun stats never ceases to amaze me how misleading certain people are willing to be to push their agenda.
Dane Ferrell December 19, 2012 at 04:39 AM
Bryan,I dont think Paulines statistics are made up,but in your case I think ignorance overules reality.
Bryan December 19, 2012 at 04:42 AM
Dane the troll is back. Spewing any irrelevance he so desires.
Matt McCauley December 19, 2012 at 07:26 AM
I didn't call anyone a name. @Janet. I was called them, but completely ignored it and focused on the topic.
Matt McCauley December 19, 2012 at 07:36 AM
@Dane, US homicide is trending down dramatically from decades ago and what you call "assault weapons" are used in crimes. Pistols are the weapon of choice. Try some facts from a neutral, non-US pro-gun or anti source: The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people • But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people TWENTY EIGHTH, @Dane! http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list
Matt McCauley December 19, 2012 at 07:41 AM
@Janet, the CT shooter had neither an automatic weapon nor body armor. Your hypothetical makes as much sense as speculating who would win in a fight between Spiderman and Batman.
Matt McCauley December 19, 2012 at 07:45 AM
@Brayn is correct, @Pauline's claims are false -- note that she provides no source link. Top killer of kids is car crashes: http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/accidental-deaths-among-children-fall/
Matt McCauley December 19, 2012 at 07:47 AM
I looked it up, too, and came to the identical conclusion as @Bryan. Note that they are still not talking about the crimes gun PREVENT each year.
Bryan December 19, 2012 at 07:48 AM
Matt wrote: "Top killer of kids is car crashes: http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/accidental-deaths-among-children-fall" We have got to outlaw cars and driving! Do our children mean nothing to us?
Matt McCauley December 19, 2012 at 07:50 AM
@Dane, why on earth would you think that when she has not sourced her claims after repeatedly being asked to do so? Is it possible for you to make a post in response to a person with whom you disagree without hurling insulting names and invective?
Matt McCauley December 19, 2012 at 07:57 AM
@Bryan, between this thread locally and what I am hearing from the error-ridden national media, I am truly shocked to see that so many Americans are as ignorant as I am discovering them to be about firearms and history-- especially when those people are in a position to make policy affecting me and my loved ones.
Jason F. December 19, 2012 at 03:41 PM
@Dane haha :) trust me I didn't get out of the military because I love guns too much if that is what you are referencing :) Dane you remind me so much of these ungrateful liberals I once knew. Not half a brain between the bunch of them. Poor kids, just lost on a ship at sea grasping for any cause which would bring anarchy. BTW lets never discredit counseling, it is very healthy for all individuals to visit a counselor every now and then.
Jason F. December 19, 2012 at 03:44 PM
@Dane haha :) America is the most dangerous place in he world??? Dang, if I was in the most dangerous place in the world then I would definitely want a gun!!! BTW Dane, move to Canada, it is too dangerous for you here.
Dane Ferrell December 19, 2012 at 03:47 PM
@ Matt, the only ignorance I see here is from you and Bryan,people are needlessly murdered everyday, 20 children were murdered also,over the weekend after that 67 more people were shot, and killed,2 of them cops, ignorance to the fact does not change reality @Matt.
Dane Ferrell December 19, 2012 at 04:01 PM
@Matt, the number of people killed, or injured in car crashes has declined, due to safer cars,as well as laws banning use of cell phones while driving, http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811552.pdf also to drive a car you have to be able to prove you can operate it by being licensed,the car registered, and insured,anyone cannot just drive a car,anyone can get, or buy a gun,pleading ignorance to facts does not change the fact that people are being murdered everyday, and the cause it too many people having access to guns.
Dane Ferrell December 19, 2012 at 04:08 PM
"@Dane haha :) America is the most dangerous place in he world??? Dang, if I was in the most dangerous place in the world then I would definitely want a gun!!! BTW Dane, move to Canada, it is too dangerous for you here." @Joshua, it is exactly that type of thinking which makes America the most dangerous place in the world,Canadians can own guns, but it is considered a privilege,and the number of people killed with them there is maybe 20 a year,compared to 15,000 in America.
Scott Rush December 25, 2012 at 04:32 AM
I agree with your comments up to the last. Only Congress can make laws and changes to laws. The procedure to amend the Constitution is an even more difficult process. Go back to sleep.
Scott Rush December 25, 2012 at 04:41 AM
I believe that every citizen has the right to carry / have a weapon. Whether they do is up to the individual. We should come down like a ton of bricks on those who illegally posses firearms. Beyond that, we must be able to protect ourselves and balance the power in Washington DC like the Founders intended.
Edward A. December 25, 2012 at 05:16 AM
The idea that individuals can protect themselves from a tyrannical government with the kind of weapons that are legal for Americans to own, is, quite frankly, delusionally laughable. If you believe that, then yes, I am calling you delusional. This was possibly true when the Bill of Rights was drafted (that's actually debatable, because there were weapons like mortars, cannon and howitzers then) but today the government has access to weapons the framers couldn't even imagine. And you don't have access to these weapons. And all but the most loony gun enthusiasts agree that we shouldn't have access to them. If you think your weapons are some sort of credible threat or balance to the federal government, I suggest you read about Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Bryan December 25, 2012 at 06:26 AM
You have a point Edward. I have pondered this myself. However, in a true revolution ( Not just a limited opposition ) I suppose any outcome is possible. And some of the sympathizers in government and the military could possibly provide some of the other weapons.
Edward A. December 25, 2012 at 05:04 PM
The cure is worse than the disease. Imagine a revolution or civil war that was fought with modern weapons (either with or against the might of the US government). There is no winning such a war -- we would all lose. Again, the idea that civilians can pose a threat to the government with what are now legal personal weapons is delusional. People who believe otherwise are living in a past that hasn't existed for hundreds of years, in a fantasy fed by the NRA and greedy weapons manufacturers and dealers it represents.
Bryan December 25, 2012 at 05:21 PM
It would be horrible. That is why no one is ever quick to go to war. However, being that you are somewhat of a crackpot yourself, I don't know if your claims of what is delusional is all that accurate.
Dane Ferrell December 25, 2012 at 09:50 PM
Edward,excellent point, but try not to confuse Bryan & Scott with facts, it conflicts with the crap,& hate mongering they been watching on fox news,Glenn Beck etc, rendering them unable to think for themselves, let alone rationally.
Edward A. December 25, 2012 at 10:40 PM
Which crackpot beliefs or behavior are you referring to? I think I did a reasonable job explaining why "defense against a tyrannical government" as an excuse to own guns is delusional, so my claim is based on actual evidence, whereas your claim is just typical ad hominem - the last resort of a weak argument. Happy holidays, Bryan. :)
Bryan December 25, 2012 at 11:15 PM
I thought it was pretty clear what I was stating. I clearly agreed with you that your point about the impossiblity of fending off a tyrannical government was a valid point. My comment about you being a crackpot was not based n that statement it was based on some of your previous posts where you were way to quick to post wild unfounded comments and then attack others as being looney if they simply did not agree with you even when the other person had similarly done a reasonable job in explaining an alternate point of view and still you were so quick to label them crazy, dellusional etc... It is that behaviour that you have displayed that warranted my comment that you were sort of a crackpot. Further, because you lay claim that people are crazy and dellusional so often that the attacks have no merit when they come from you.
Dane Ferrell December 26, 2012 at 12:33 AM
Bryan,I find anyone who shares your disillusioned beliefs to be loony, they are called the Looney Right.
Edward A. December 26, 2012 at 12:33 AM
Bryan, you said, "...it was based on some of your previous posts where you were way to quick to post wild unfounded comments and then attack others as being looney if they simply did not agree with you..." I went back to read my comment history, because I didn't recall calling anyone any names. I found one instance where I called someone delusional. I should have remembered your name from that discussion, but I didn't. I think I've done this exactly once on this website, and it was directed at you, when you claimed: "...Slavery was never Christian, The slave trade in this country was largely Jewish... " "...Chrisitans did not own slaves in large numers..." And you then proceeded to call me a liar because I interpreted the rape laws in Deuteronomy the way pretty much everyone else (except apologists) interpret them. Not one of the comments I've made on this website appear to be unfounded, and if you want to play that game, I am happy to prove that they are all well-founded. Also, how many times have I called people delusional or crazy? I count two. Once directed at you, and once directed at any person who thinks they are going to fight the government with guns. I stand by both.


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