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Opinion: Why Gay Couples Need the Legality of Marriage

Neither domestic partnerships nor civil unions provide any federal protections- only marriage does that.

 

Editor's Note: In the comments on , some in the community were asking why same-sex couple's needed the be able to legally marry when there were already civil unions that were recognized by some states. Patch asked Rev. Van Leer if she would elaborate on the reasons. Here is her reply:

Civil unions and domestic partnerships are separate and unequal options to marriage. The domestic partnership category was developed to extend rights to both same-sex and opposite sex unmarried couples. What rights they offer differ from city to county to state. In some places they function as more of a registry than anything else. Civil unions also vary from state, and do not extend from one state to another. Neither domestic partnerships nor civil unions provide any federal protections- only marriage does that.

Clergy of any religious tradition have the right to marry or not to marry couples either same sex or opposite sex. However, such a ceremony does not legalize a same sex couple. That legal right is only extended to same sex couples.

The protects the right of religious organizations to refuse to perform marriage ceremonies for any couple. It ensures that such clergy or religious organizations cannot be sued for refusing to do so. 

An interesting point about domestic partnerships from an attorney in my congregation, Liz Ligon:

“Just a comment about DP being available regardless of sexual orientation:  DP is available to opposite-sex couples only if one of the individuals is over 62. The rationale behind inclusion of this sub-group of heterosexual partnerships was to protect older couples from potential loss of federal benefits (Social Security) that they may have otherwise been entitled to based on the earnings record of a former spouse if they were to remarry. These are folks who are legally permitted to marry, but choose not to for financial reasons. As opposed to the same-sex couples who were legally barred from getting married. It will be interesting to see if the DP rules for older couples are preserved once DP protections for same-sex couples are no longer needed.”

 

long time Woodinville resident January 25, 2012 at 06:48 pm
Let's hear from other demoniatrions regarding same sex marriage.
Annie Archer (Editor) January 25, 2012 at 08:58 pm
We would be happy to post all opinion editorials from the community as long as the writers are willing to put their name on them.
Ellen Hagglund January 26, 2012 at 02:04 pm
It is great to see someone speak up for the right of same-sex couples to get married. People say,"well what about the sanctity of marriage?" With the divorce rate at over 50%,with spiritual and conservatives leaders saying, "but the bible says..." and then being found to have had marital affairs with women and men. I don't see how a loving, same sex couple having the same rights as these people would destroy the sanctity of marriage. I think it should be made illegal for celebrities to get married, talk about making a mockery of marriage.
Ellen Hagglund January 26, 2012 at 02:14 pm
I meant to say "extra-marital affairs".
Ellen Schilling Remily January 26, 2012 at 11:11 pm
It's also important to remember that the issue at hand is the LEGAL marriage of same-sex couples, not the religious one. Every American should have the right to the protections and obligations of legal marriage to their partner. Thank you, Rev. Van Leer, for continuing to speak out on this important issue.
long time Woodinville resident January 27, 2012 at 05:54 pm
I find it interesting that just because I asked to hear from other demonitations reguarding this issue so as not to just hear one side of an issue, that there was an assumption I was against gay marriage. I believe we need to hear ALL sides to form an opnion. But maybe because an assumption was made quickly, and the response leaned towards the offense, with no facts to support thier opnion were made when I made a simple request for more input, maybe other people feel their opions would be attacked. I never mentioned the bible. The article was written by a leader of one church. I don't believe everyone has read the bill and really knows what the "pork" is in the bill. I have found that closed minded people only want to hear their side and quickly jump to the ofense when there is even a hint at an opposing view. But I feel always receiving an opion from one church leader and only one church leader is very biased. I don't know if he/she responded on their own or if they were the only one approached, but I for one would like other church leaders speak up.
Ellen Hagglund January 27, 2012 at 06:42 pm
I find it interesting that you call those of us that responded as "closed minded" when we are supportive of same sex marriage. I would also like to point out that an opinion does not need facts to back it up.
long time Woodinville resident January 27, 2012 at 09:13 pm
I called you colosed minded because of your response and the way it is worded. I was looking for facts and you chose to respond with emotion. I find it interesting that your last response was exactly the same.
Alex Mattson January 29, 2012 at 11:51 pm
long time Woodinville resident,
I do not think anyone assumed you were against same sex marriage. It seems that the two Ellen's were merely stating their support for the opinion presented by the Reverend. Your lengthy response to their statements is wholly unjustified especially considering you do not present your own opinion or argument but merely attack the way hers was written. So please use this comment section for what it was intended don't just hide behind your internet anonymity and throw out criticisms especially when your own comment is an affront to the English language.
long time Woodinville resident January 31, 2012 at 08:23 pm
Thank you for a good Laugh and that is my opnion just as everything else was also my opnion. Remember - all I asked for was another view point and I have been attacked. I guess that asking for other view points is not allowed. "Affont to the English language."!

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