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Surveillance Camera Policy Approved by Woodinville City Council

The Woodinville Police Chief, currently Sydney Jackson, will determine where the surveillance cameras are placed.

Woodinville Police Chief Sydney Jackson will be charged with figuring out where to place surveillance cameras in the city.
Woodinville Police Chief Sydney Jackson will be charged with figuring out where to place surveillance cameras in the city.
Woodinville's policy for using surveillance cameras in public places is a go after it was approved at Tuesday's city council meeting.

They approved the use of video cameras on public streets and in parks in May, in an effort to improve public safety.

The Woodinville Police Chief, currently Sydney Jackson, will determine where the cameras are placed in public (possibly at street intersections and public parks) although the cameras won't face the inside of any buildings. 

The locations will also be marked with signage that states, "This Area is Subject to Video Monitoring by the Woodinville Police Department." A list of video cameras and their whereabouts around the city will also be posted on the city's website. 

No one will be continuously monitoring the cameras and the footage will only be kept for 30 days unless it is needed for criminal case or other reasons.

Will you feel safer with these cameras in place? Why or why not? Tell us in comments.
Bob Martinek August 08, 2013 at 01:18 PM
This council has been a public joke and now they do this!? We would all be SAFER in a fenced area and fed nutritional meals, but who would want that? Go away BIG BROTHER!
Susan Milke August 09, 2013 at 12:35 PM
Waste of time and money. Part of an effort from the DHS to get every small city to monitor citizens so they can build a grid to spy on us nationally. Won't be doing much business in Woodinville from now on out of principle.
Chris August 10, 2013 at 01:29 PM
As a previous New York City resident, I find the crime in Bothell/ Kenmore/ Woodinville is just as bad as any other big city. We just don't hear about every little incident . I'm a local Locksmith and have learned that criminals work 24 hours 7 days a week and will stop at nothing to get to you, your property or family members. Woodinville residents should not feel negative about the cameras but feel grateful that someone cares enough to spend a little money on up-grading the security around town. (If you were that important to have the government spy on you, you'd never know about it.) During these changing times with a rough economy and drug legalization, people will be flocking to Washington and some will be starving for food ,drugs and money. Criminals beware , Don't mess around Woodinville !
Susan Milke August 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM
Chris, To be "really" safe we would need a camera in every home, car, street, park, store, etc. (That's the plan). All this gives us is a false sense of security, in the meantime we are being monitored in everything we do. And the cameras will not stop crime, they may solve it, but that is all. And there is no guarantee of that either.
Ron Olson August 11, 2013 at 02:31 AM
It's so unsafe in Woodinville that Scott Hageman moved to Kirkland.
Gail August 11, 2013 at 05:26 PM
Why Scott lives in Woodinville ... in a shack. Santa Claus is real ... ethics are alive in City Hall ... the lunch room lady is very mean.
Susan Milke August 11, 2013 at 07:11 PM
Got a strange message on my answering machine. Support "Ethics Reform" in Woodinville. Bernie Talmas is picking on Scott because he doesn't live in Woodinville and someone is watching Scott late at night! If you have children you should be scared. What a joke! Sounds like cameras are in order to watch the Woodinville city council members so they stop fighting among each other. Question. IF Scott does not live in Woodinville what the heck is he doing on the city council?!
Gail August 11, 2013 at 09:05 PM
Of course Scott doesn't live in Woodinville. He's not in his shack most of the time. Figures he's safe. That's the 'ethics' that some of the council apparently finds confusing. Of course Scott Hageman should resign. Of course these same council persons pretend it doesn't matter. What a joke indeed. Nice 'ethical' base birthed when Lucy DeYoung declared her residency by claiming she lived in an office closet.
Ron Olson August 11, 2013 at 09:55 PM
I got an automated phone call about ethical behavior in Woodinville, too! I think the message was that Les Rubstello lied during his campaign when he stated that the Sammamish Valley should not be commercialized, that Scott Hageman was guilty of failing to be a properly registered voter in Woodinville, that Paulette Bauman votes on issues that line her pockets, and that Liz Aspen used her handicapped son in political advertising and that her other son is an expert egg tossing vandal. The phone call said to check their website at www.ethical-woodinville.com but I haven't checked it out yet.
Ron Olson August 11, 2013 at 10:10 PM
We need a surveillance camera installed near Scott's REPORTED Woodinville address so we can prove that he does not live in Woodinville. Another camera should be installed in Paulette Bauman's purse to monitor the influx of profits from voting on her own real estate holdings. That leaves one camera left to place....OK how about we install the last one on the first Woodinville Mayor's head so we can get an inside look at how city staff works behind closed doors? I suspect that it's a staff member that set up that www.ethical-woodinville website because there is fear that come January there will be a couple staff members looking for work. We need some new faces downtown. There are too many cozy relationships at city hall. We need to clean house so the council is back to setting policy instead of staff directing activities behind the council's back. The former developmental services director wasn't the only staff member dancing to the beat of his own docket requests.
Susan Milke August 11, 2013 at 10:26 PM
Ron, I tried, but must not have the right address, but I will try again. Your points are all well taken. I agree, time for house cleaning. Woodinville was a great place to live. I am afraid they are also going to destroy downtown with the new development. Just another tax base, but the quality of living will go down as it has almost everywhere else in Seattle. Are they going to cut down all the trees?! And they are going to build 800 units and at least another 1,000 cars will be on the road?! Forget going because they are spying on us. I will avoid downtown with all the new traffic they are going to create.
Ron Olson August 11, 2013 at 11:33 PM
I agree with Nancy for a change.
Gail August 12, 2013 at 12:42 AM
"you chose to take ... just your basic average low road" - WOW Nancy. Congrats
Bob Martinek August 12, 2013 at 12:04 PM
WOW! You guys need to grow up! This is a discussion of surveillance cameras but you all would rather air your dirty laundry in public. Leadership? where?
Jerry Omli August 12, 2013 at 03:15 PM
Most brilliant post ever - guess I need to grow up. "So I ask you, Paulette, if your allegations about Susan Boundy-Sanders were correct, why was a code of ethics violation never filed to substantiate your claims? You see, Paulette, you have two faces, and two sets of rules, one for you, and one for everybody else. I did not accuse you of accepting huge contributions from developers. Les Rubstello and Rick Chatterton did that. You accepted contributions from your family, and are they the same family that owns real estate in downtown Woodinville? You had the option to abstain from voting on land development issues that directly benefitted your personal Woodinville real estate and the holdings of your close family members. But you chose to take the low road. Not unethical, not illegal, just your basic average low road. Now we know where you stand on the issue of ethics. Paulette Bauman has a face for every occasion. For Paulette Bauman, ethics is required of other people but not of her. You owe Woodinville taxpayers for wasting council time and further embarrassing the city by attempting to defend the honor of your friends, Liz and Lucy, on our dime. You have a lot of nerve telling me to become educated on ethics when it was you that failed to abide by ethics rules by presenting your personal grudge against Susan from the dais. You knew the rules. What you wanted was to bypass procedure and use staff and council time to air dirty laundry. Shame on you. Not one citizen showed up to support you when you attacked the mayor and another council member from the dais. Do you get the hint? Your tirade did not belong at a council meeting and taxpayers did not deserve to pay for your soap opera tattle tale message. "
Ron Olson August 12, 2013 at 05:36 PM
To Paulette Bauman: Are you kidding me? You posted comments here yesterday where you accused fellow council members of unethical behavior. The venue was wrong, the accusations were unfounded, you bypassed the Hearing Examiner, you violated all of the rules of ethics and procedure that there are. So after spending many hours at two council meetings publically humiliating Susan and Bernie for their behavior, you went ahead and did exactly what you accused them of doing! We will be spending another few meetings on the ethics topic, and this time it is YOU that will be hung out to dry. I formally accuse Paulette Bauman of bullying two fellow council members by posting false statements on the Patch. Paulette, simply removing the comments is not an apology. You need to admit what you did at the next council meeting, and publically apologize to Susan and Bernie for being a total hypocrite. You wasted a lot of taxpayer time and money trying to bring campaign issues up at council meetings. and your behavior is unacceptable, inexcusable, hypocritical, and Woodinville citizens have had enough of your garbage.
Ron Olson August 13, 2013 at 11:15 AM
Paulette Bauman quoted on the Patch Aug. 11th, 2013. Posted to “Surveillance Camera Policy Approved by Woodinville City Council” Paulette Bauman: “Ron, get your facts straight. If your allegations are correct, why was a code of ethics violation never filed to substantiate your claims? You want to talk about violation of ethics? How about we talk about Bernie Talmas and Susan Boundy Sanders bringing property acquisitions in their neighborhoods that would potentially increase their property values while using taxpayers money to foot the bill. It is time for you to attend a meeting in person and educate yourself on Code of Ethics in the City and Washington State before you keep making false accusations. BTW-if you want a full disclosure of my campaign contributions from 2009, you will find no contributions from developers- only friends, family and local community support for me”. These comments were removed by Paulette the day after they were posted. Paulette Bauman is using the Patch to attack two fellow council members. Paulette wasted many hours of taxpayer time renting about ethics, and here she is being Woodinville's biggest ethical hypocrite. Paulette, if you have an ethics complaint about your fellow council members, take your own advice. Follow procedure. Take your complaint to the Hearing Examiner. Provide truthful information. Stop attacking and bullying fellow council members in this manner.
Robert Michelson August 13, 2013 at 09:00 PM
Dear Ron – I am suspicious that Paulette is guilty of more than bullying on the Patch. Her comments seem to ring with the same tone as this political pac Ethical Woodinville that robo-called the city. When I read the website for Ethical Woodinville they match exactly the misguided points that Paulette brought up at the council meeting. Could it be that Ms. Bauman (Paulette) is this undeclared pac, ethical woodinville that is printing garbage about Mayor Talmas? Seems to sync up with her M.O. Funny who is turning out to be an unethical bully. One other thing. What property acquisitions is she talking about. I try to keep up with council but have no idea what she is talking about. Is she making this stuff up or talking about things the public isn’t privy to.
Gail August 13, 2013 at 11:44 PM
Yes Robert, this is pure garbage. "Not Me" made a wonderful post (as Nancy Cunningham) clearly delineating Paulette Bauman's low road tactics shared by Liz and Scott (Rubstello is awaiting orders). How dare we note that Scott does not live in Woodinville or that we disclose PUBLIC information about Scott's loan that swore he lived in Kirkland. Information that anyone can get. There's no secret cabal, wait there is, it's the one that's pulling the puppet strings in the background. I see the mean old lady looking meaner all the time. No not Liz, the other L. It's telling that they lurk in the dark -like the rats they are- and are afraid to declare who they are!!
Bauman August 14, 2013 at 12:48 PM
Dear Readers, My apologies for making the mistake of responding to continued false accusations in the above posts. Ron is right. It was not the proper place to discuss. The comments I posted on the Patch a few days ago in response to Ron Olson's continued accusations that I have lined my pockets with unethical behavior had been deleted and removed within a few hours of posting. I deleted them as it was not the proper place to vet my concerns. I regret using this venue to share my frustrations with the current situation on our council and the hypocrisy (apparently including my own) that overwhelms this council regarding applying ethics fairly and following the general decorum outlined in our Rules of Procedure. There are plenty of public records that Ron has requested that speak to my concerns about potential property acquisitions brought forward by certain council members. You will see no more posts from me. I will follow up with my concerns via the proper rules and procedures regarding code of ethics and general decorum for our current city council members. Lastly, I had no involvement or knowledge of the current phone call regarding Ethical Woodinville. I can only guess that the current frustration on both sides of this issue have come to a boiling point, and honestly I'd like to see it resolved for the betterment of our City. If there are truly concerns, please feel free to email me at city hall, call me directly or attend a city council meeting to share your thoughts and ideas for positive outcomes and solutions. Sincerely & Truthfully, Paulette Bauman Councilmember City of Woodinville, WA
Gail August 14, 2013 at 04:33 PM
Dear Paulette, your idea of "ethics and rules" are very strange. You don't have a snow balls chance in hell to prevent anyone from discussing their POV (obviously you think yours somehow is exempt as was shown in council meetings - ugh). This legal "rules" obstacle was clearly - to me anyway - pointed out to you by the City Attorney yet you still persist in wasting City Staff TIME AND MONEY on a task you can't legally defend. You say the words but don't understand what "proper rules and procedures" really mean. I challenge you or anyone to define "code of ethics" that will withstand a legal challenge. What the heck is "general decorum"? What is "proper"? Is that something that upsets you or can it be anything that upsets anyone? Again, these statements are a prime examples of legal naivety. LISTEN to your City Attorney and LEARN vs pretentious posturing (prime example - your posts). Ask him directly if what you propose can withstand a legal challenge. He already told the council, but you weren't listening. The "boiling point" is the same one where Lucy DeYoung took out an ad in the WW with the heading "Enough is Enough". Now it's some rat infested site crawling with bugs. Indeed enough is enough. We've had it with the attempts to divert attention from a council person who does not reside in Woodinville (just pretend it's not happening) and instead attack the messengers. The only "positive outcome" is for you to come to your senses and admit that Scott Hageman's little shack is a fraud on everyone. THAT is for the betterment of the City, not the b.s. that's being put out now.
Robert Michelson August 14, 2013 at 08:00 PM
Paulette was so caught up in her own anger, she wrote about topics she should not have and had to delete her comments. Along with her fluff comments above trying to back step, these two postings together tell us a few things. She has essentially let the cat out of the bag. #1 she knows who "ethical Woodinville" is or is directly involved. She also let on to property transactions no one seems to know about. Both show that she does not have the temperament to be a councilperson nor does she have a proper understanding of legal process. She proceeds outside of process and now she is discussing property transactions to the public that must be of a confidential nature to her or the entire council. Paulette just resign now.
Ron Olson August 14, 2013 at 11:24 PM
Did Paulette line her pockets with unethical behavior? Paulette owns a property in Woodinville. If Paulette voted yes, the property could be short platted into two lots , but the property could not be short platted if she voted no. The difference between having two lots as opposed to one, could amount to a quarter of a million dollars based on current lot values. Paulette was the swing vote, which means her vote determined the fate of her own property. The vote didn't affect only her property. The vote affected (very roughly) sixty properties. Paulette was not accused of lining her pockets with "Unethical behavior". She was accused of taking the low road when it comes to the ethical issue of voting on an issue that would have a huge financial effect on personal finances. If it were just one incident, maybe there wouldn't be such a big deal made about it. But Paulette was at the center of this issue early on in her political career, where she took the low road then, too. Just so people know, if an issue comes up in the future where Paulette could potentially benefit financially from her vote, she will most likely take the low road again. Paulette did line her pockets, there is no question about it. Many people think that Paulette's friends on the council voted in favor of allowing rounding up lot sizes as a way of thanking Paulette for her support of Lucy's DeYoung's push to annex properties in the Sammamish Valley. But that's just speculation.
Stewart Shanders August 20, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Jeepers. This train derailed eh?? I hope the cameras assist, I am not sure they will, but it would be great. I dont feel they will take away from my want to be or shop in that area.
Susan Milke August 20, 2013 at 01:17 PM
The question Stewart, is, who will they assist? The people or the government?! The cameras on both buses that received a grant from Homeland Security didn't work in the shooting downtown?! Odd. Did they not work on purpose or do they not work at all? Is it a strange coincidence or something else? :)
Stewart Shanders August 21, 2013 at 10:05 AM
Only time will tell us that now Susan. Dont even want to touch the metro camera issue.
Susan Milke August 21, 2013 at 01:40 PM
Stewart, I don't blame you. Too many things to think about these days!

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