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Video Surveillance: City of Woodinville Seeks Your Opinion

City officials are considering the use of video cameras on public streets and parks to improve public safety.

City officials are considering the use of video cameras on public streets and parks to improve public safety, according to a post on their website.

The cameras would be used to help in crime investigation and would not be used to issue traffic citations. Specifics as to locations and the number of cameras that would be used have not been developed.

City officials want to understand how residents and businesses feel about the use of video surveillance cameras for public safety purposes and have set up a short survey you can take online. The City will be requesting input through the end of March 2013, when the survey results will be presented to Woodinville City Council. 

For more information on this project, contact Assistant to the City Manager Alexandra Sheeks at 425-877-2266. 

How do you feel about the use of video cameras on public streets in Woodinville? Tell us in comments.

To take the city's video surveillance camera survey, click here.

Susan Milke February 27, 2013 at 11:44 PM
I spend a lot of time and money in downtown Woodinville at InSpa, Aaron Bros, TJMaxx, Starbucks, Jamba Juice, Top Foods, Whole Food Pet Shop, Molbaks, to name a few. Surveillance cameras watching my every move like I am a criminal will make me less likely to go down there to shop. And again can someone tell me where the cameras would be placed? As I would guess... where the crimes are occurring, those establishments already have cameras!
Ron Olson February 28, 2013 at 12:03 AM
You should contact the Woodinville council and request a review and recommendations by the Public Safety Commission before the equipment is purchased or used. I don't think Les Rubstello responds to citizens unless you are a campaign contributor of his...but most other council members will at least read your comments before they throw them in the trash. citycouncil@ci.woodinville.wa.us
Greg Fazzio February 28, 2013 at 12:24 AM
I am opposed to any cameras in parks or other public spaces that residents of Woodinville might find themselves frequenting on a casual basis. This would include public sidewalks and roadways. On private property if the owner wants cameras to protect his business or home that's his decision to make. As citizens we can either choose to visit those privately owned businesses or not. The parks belong to all of us and we should be able to visit them and "unplug" without the scrutiny and intrusion of video surveillance. I believe it is an invasion of privacy and totally unnecessary. When council addressed this issue did they define what problem they're trying to solve with cameras? That was not made clear in the survey. Re. the survey, it was too brief and contained zero details regarding why, how many, costs, specific locations, etc. The survey was poorly constructed and I would urge council to not rely on the results to make decisions of any kind. I've grappled with the issue of video surveillance many times on commercial properties I've managed. One of the main problems with having cameras is presenting the illusion to the public of safety by providing a monitored facility. No location is ever going to be 100% safe or secure, but if you provide that illusion and a crime is committed the city needs to be prepared to defend itself when the inevitable lawsuit is filed. This should definitely NOT be a unilateral council decision. Ask the people what they want first!
NRA & HOG guy February 28, 2013 at 01:24 AM
I recommend we mount a helmet cam on council member Hageman's hat so we can see if he can find his way home and if it's in Woodinville. I love liberal politicians. My dog fluffy is a liberal. I love my dog
Gast Arbeiter February 28, 2013 at 02:30 AM
Well said ... if you confuse "essential liberty" for visiting Whole Pet Shop out of camera range :-)
Gast Arbeiter February 28, 2013 at 02:35 AM
Yes, I can see that you might spend " a lot of time and money in ... Starbucks {and} Jamba Juice" ... it shows! Really, you should take a deep breath and realize the police are trying to help you ... they're not going to " watching my every move like I am a criminal ". These aren't the men-in-black with mysterious drones and black helicopters. Save the conspiracy theories for the movies ;-)
Ron Olson February 28, 2013 at 02:53 AM
Can't think of a better way of giving up my right to privacy than having somebody breaking into my house or car.
Ron Olson February 28, 2013 at 03:30 AM
Speaking of Les Rubstello, don't forget that he was the guy who thought the Public Safety Commission was worthless and wants to disband it. Don't expect any help from Les, looks half drunk at council meetings. I didn't say he was half drunk, I just said he looks like it.
R Jaffe March 01, 2013 at 12:25 AM
Where exactly is the concentration of crime within the city that would justify the expense? Are the twink boys back to work again in the evenings bobbing for apples at Wilmot Park and the local constabulary can't handle it? The city should be spending the taxpayer's money on a solution to the traffic conundrum instead of spending it on non-existent problems.
Ron Olson March 01, 2013 at 12:28 AM
R Jaffe Your reference to homosexual activity is not appropriate here. Please grow up.
Local Guy March 01, 2013 at 03:14 AM
It is estimated that there are over 20,000 civilian drones ALREADY overhead in America. Do you know what they are doing? Facebook has facially imaged over 20% of the entire world's population, and owns that content. I can see the flowers in your backyard via Google satellite. We have a President who reviews a hit list each week with american names on it and authorizes their assassination with the swoosh of his pen. And you think we are the crazy ones for objecting to even more.
Local Guy March 01, 2013 at 03:18 AM
and I forgot to mention, The 2010 census assigned a GPS data coordinate to your front door, assigned your name to it and filed it away.
Your Neighbor March 01, 2013 at 05:42 AM
Jaffe is referencing the Bobbsey Twins. I haven't a clue as to what Olson is referencing. Anyways, when was this survey done? Why don't I remember it?
R Jaffe March 01, 2013 at 06:43 AM
Pardon me, but my primary reference was to the lack of any one concentrated crime zone in the city with a humorous reference to the only place where there was, at one time in the past, a concentration of victimless violations of law. I don't have any problems with discussing the existence of sexual activity in our society even if it makes some, often those with something to hide, feel uncomfortable. And I most certainly have no plans to, in your parlance, "grow up" so get over it.
Ron Olson March 01, 2013 at 05:00 PM
Twink boy is a derogatory description of a young gay man or boy, and the reference to bobbing for apples doesn’t need interpretation. R Jaffe needs a lesson in decency and his comment should be removed. Editor, please edit the comment and restore a level of decency to this discussion.
Ron Olson March 01, 2013 at 05:46 PM
There is a video attached to this story. Scroll up just below the big picture of the video camera and click on council meeting link. Les Rubstello doesn't want citizen involvement in city matters. If you wonder how cameras were put in the budget and the council already approved the expense without citizen input, just ask Les.
Gail March 01, 2013 at 06:13 PM
I second that Ron. I don't think the real Rande Jaffe would post things like this. Especially one that is trying to get things changed in his favor. Could anyone be that obtuse? Only one I know of starts with the name Don, an ex councilman.
Gail March 01, 2013 at 08:37 PM
Les says the Emergency Preparedness Committee "Doesn't serve any useful purpose". His familiarity with this is because councilman Les Rubstello doesn't serve any useful purpose. I thought arrogance left with Don Brocha. Look at his disinterested manner and demeanor. Why did he bother to get elected when he has no real interested being where he is. Bored doesn't describe it. He just doesn't want to really spend any more time than he has to. To quote him, the "point in time when we consider turning out" Rubstello is when his position comes up. What a bore.
Ron Olson March 01, 2013 at 11:16 PM
I have to agree that Les doesn't serve any USEFUL purpose. We could just put a statue of a person with the chin attached to the chest and nobody would even notice the difference. They wouldn't notice him missing from his job in Lynnwood either.
R Jaffe March 01, 2013 at 11:53 PM
Twink is a rather neutral term although I am surprised Mr. Olson is up to date with gay slang. But Mr Olson, just who anointed you the arbitrator of public decency? Ms. Gail, I have been polite enough to ignore your bad grammar, your inability to correctly use Latin terms, your stridency and smugness, your hypocritical stance on using caps, your sophomoric comparisons, your non sequiturs, and countless other failings. But your inability to maintain basic netiquette by writing out my full name is unpardonable. And just who gave you the correct spelling? Am I too now being investigated? Sorry, the only thing in my life that I have to hide is that I have nothing to hide. Yes my life is really that boring. And yes, sometimes telling the truth has negative political consequences. Yet take note I have not been addressing the council to seek any favors for myself, only changes to policy that would benefit the city as a whole, thus I am not as obtuse and you suggest. If the council wishes to make a poor decision solely based upon their subjective opinion of my personal standards of decency, well that would be their failing. But even I give the City Council far more credit than that.
Gail March 02, 2013 at 03:28 AM
Jaffe, you once again made a big gaffe. It wasn't just the use of the term but the CONTEXT you put it in. Hardly a neutral framing. Must be a religious upbringing with all that "Latin" knowledge. We all know from lawsuits that priests are a good reference point. They too 'tell the truth'. Again, you attempt to lower the conversation (as you have EVERY SINGLE time). Arrogance does not become you. You just don't like being directly challenged about FACTS Gaffe. Especially from a female. You might as well be shouting that message. If you think that attacking the City Council (as you have) is going to get you anywhere, the delusion must be very deep indeed. That is indeed obtuse. Now using CAPS is hypocritical? Where have you been? Btw, non sequitur is my Latin, not yours. Your comments just don't make sense.. You have used your full name in the past online, spoke in a public broadcast saying who you are and referenced same HERE. Newsflash: The Owner of a business is PUBLIC information. Rande Jaffe owns Sir Plus. And that's the guy that spoke in at the Council Meeting as shown in the video. Doth protest too much. I'm just not sure it's really you here.
Local Guy March 02, 2013 at 09:14 PM
Making snide references to Twink Boys, Referring to individuals as douchebags, Referring to individuals as tea baggers, All gleefully allowed by Patch "it's your paper" Editors.
Lisa Baumann (Editor) March 02, 2013 at 09:44 PM
Some of the comments here are less than respectful. Bring it back to a common decency level please. Thank you.
Ron Olson March 02, 2013 at 10:16 PM
When somebody wants to close comments on a particular subject, they just start posting inappropriate things in hopes that the editor closes comments for everybody. I think the offending poster should be deleted along with the offending comments so the rest of us can post in peace.
Susan Milke March 04, 2013 at 09:23 PM
Local Guy. I don't know how this discussion got off base, but I agree with you completely. The aware ones are not the crazy ones as history will prove. And there is so much more going on that we don't even know about. But it is my goal in this life to find out. No "more" cameras in downtown Woodinville!
Susan Milke March 04, 2013 at 09:24 PM
Local Guy, How do we find out more about the GPS data coordinate and what does it record?!
Local Guy March 04, 2013 at 11:38 PM
I was a 2010 Census taker. We had GPS hardware. We were required to assign a GPS coordinate to every single address within six feet of their front door and upload to the National Census Bureau. No exemptions, oversight checks and balances ensured compliance. As an aside, we also verified street mapping, in some instances redrawing inaccurate streets, and/or adding new constructs. Every single address in the US is now identifiable by way of GPS data coordinates in some national database. Furthermore, remember all those remarkably intrusive Census profile questions covered in the mail in Census form or when I knocked on your door to interview because you didn't mail in your response? They are associated with that data point...
Local Guy March 04, 2013 at 11:46 PM
Nor do I consider the discussion off topic. Government fear mongering under false pretense of security while ignoring privacy and individual rights.
Dale Knapinski April 23, 2013 at 02:11 PM
I'm glad there were video cameras in Boston. We could use them in Woodinville, too.
Susan Milke April 23, 2013 at 04:24 PM
Video cameras do not make you safer. After the crime is committed you are already injured or dead. With all the Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, NSA, Navy Seals, Police, bomb sniffing dogs, army, national guards at the event, it still didn't prevent the bombing. Makes you wonder if this was a set-up to take away more of our liberties.

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